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hello, everyone. i'm ashleigh banfield. it's good to have you with us today on this friday. today we are devoting much of this hour to two stories you have probably had a conversation about, at least one time perhaps this week. the jodi arias murder trial. graphic sex and grisly violence, lies upon lies, and a jury that at this point doesn't seem to know what to believe, given their questions. we're also laooking at the rise of anti-social media. texts and tweets uncover a sex crime in ohio, but then people turn on the victim and it is happening, yes, again. we begin with top stories and a horrifying story out of
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georgia this morning. a woman in brunswick says that two young boys between the ages of 10 and 15 years old, approached her while she was out walking with her 13-month-old baby. she says they demanded money, she told them she didn't have any, but then she says they shot her in the leg, and even as she pleaded with them, she says they shot her baby boy in the head, killing him. police are now working to identify who these suspects could be. we're awaiting a news conference live from brunswick. let's go and check out where they are at this point. let's listen in. >> city manager bill weeks have grateful for the assistance of our fellow and neighboring law enforcement officials. since yesterday, we've been assertive in our efforts to identify, locate, and arrest the perpetrators. our uncompromising search has led us from door to door throughout the brunswick glen county geographical area. with the assistance of the glen
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county school board captain's police, we are checking the attendance and absentee list of individuals fitting the description as possible suspects. we are aware that there is some speculation being circulated throughout the rumor mill. however, let me assure you, as i previously indicated, that we are thoroughly investigating this case, and we will not, i repeat, will not, leave any stone unturned. thank you. >> is sherry being considered a suspect? >> we're not at liberty to discuss the intricacies of the investigation, as it could possibly damage it. i'm sorry, one at a time. >> you said there was a witness that saw what happened. police have said there are no witnesses. what can you tell us about that. she said somebody, a neighbor, called 911 and saw these two suspects. >> well, what we are doing, sir, we are investigating it thoroughly. we're checking and rechecking.
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>> as they continue to field questions, obviously, this is a crime that it is just so recent, they have very little to go on at this time. but you heard the issue that the police officer brought up, and that is that there are rumors out there that perhaps, there's a possibility that this mother may not be telling the truth. but at this point, that is not at all what the police have said is credible. that they are looking at all different aspects of this potential crime. and, obviously, these questions about whether there were potential witnesses. we'll continue to watch that story and let you know if anything does develop. and we do have some incredible video we also want to show you about another story. a man walking up to a chinese restaurant in philadelphia and then just opening fire, despite all these people behind the glass door behind him. the men inside are trying to block the door so the shooter can't actually get in, but the bullets are going through the glass and hitting them. remarkably, even though they are being hit by the shooter
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repeatedly, no one is seriously hurt. the police, however, decided that if they released this video, someone might actually be able to identify the gunman. it is extraordinarily difficult to do so, but perhaps some other clue might help them to find out who did this. john lennon's widow is using social media to take aim at gun violence. yoko ono taking to twitter and sending out this picture of john lennon's bloody eye glasses along with several statements, including this one, which was promptly retweeted by president obama. it proclaims, quote, over 1,057,000 people have been killed by guns in the u.s. since john lennon was shot and killed on the 8th of december, 1980. and you can see the prominent new york city skyline out the window behind those glasses. what's critical is that she's still in that apartment block on the west side of central park.
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so that is, perhaps, straight out of her apartment. john lennon's bloody glasses, out on twitter. a frenchman is busted for impersonating a pilot, in the cockpit. police say he boarded a us airways flight in philadelphia, wearing what pardon to be an air france uniform, and then talked his way into the cockpit. he was found out when he was questioned by the crew. he was arrested and he's now being held on a $1 million bail while a lot more questions need to be answered about how he got as far as he did. in arizona, the jurors are asking questions, may have a lot of them for jodi arias, and now they've got a lot of questions for the person who's backing her. so the defense psychologist gets grilled with more than 100 different questions alone. we're going to highlight the top ten and what they might say about what this jury is thinking as this trial gets closer to an end.
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on june 4, 2008, a young man who probably very few had heard of before named travis alexander met his end in a gruesome crime, in his home. in fact, his body was found days later in his shower. he had been the victim of one of the most grisly attacks you'd ever hear of in a courtroom. he'd been stabbed 27 times, a couple more defensive wounds as well, he'd been shot in the head, and he'd been dragged and cleaned up. but the mess that was left behind would lead them to a young woman named jodi arias. and then her lies would lead her inside a courtroom where she's facing death penalty for this crime. she says she did it. she had to admit to that after lying twice, because they had so much evidence against her. but she says she did it in self-defense. her story is so remarkable, you have to see the scene of the crime in order to get a better sense of whether it's actually plausible. so we want to take you inside the scene of the crime, somewhat. it's a little hard, considering you can't go in there now, but
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our friends at hln did the next best thing, like lawyers often do in a courtroom, they build a mock-up of a space where a crime happened. hln actually put some of jodi arias' claims to the test, so we could judge this for ourselves. they built this mock-up, so we could actually the question, could this have happened the way that jodi arias said it did? i want you to take a look with ryan smith and vinnie politan as they lay it all out. >> as i stand inside this recreation of the death scene, ryan, what's most shocking to me, really, is the space. a lot smaller than it seems, i guess, on tv. >> so much smaller. because the way she even describes it, you thought it was such a big shape, because she's jumping out of that shower -- >> this is the shower right here. >> he's got to get out of the shower and body slam her. >> and there's only this much space to do it in. >> and she's got to get past him to get down this hallway. and ultimately, when you get inside the closet here, yes, it's a big master closet, but with two people chasing each other, this is not as big as it seems.
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>> normally there would be a wall here, that's part of it, the other part is, imagine, she's about 5'5". she's jumping up on this, see these shelves, see how they tip, she's grabbing the gun and still maneuvering to get into the next room -- >> while he's chasing her. and when you're actually in the scene, so much smaller. everything would happen so much quicker. to me, it makes her story less credible. that's just my interpretation, having been inside this recreation. >> well, i'll tell you what, they're both lawyers, those two gentleman that you saw. not just tv hosts, they've been in a courtroom or two and they've tried a case or two as well, as has jean casarez. she's another person we're used to seeing now, because she's been basically covering this since day one and she joins us live from phoenix. jean, i wanted to ask you a little bit about that setup. i have covered cases before, in fact, with you, when we worked at court tv, where prosecutors spend a lot of money and they recreate diners, they recreate bedroom sets, so that jurors can
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physically get their heads into the space and walk through the crime to see if it's plausible or not, but they did not do that in this case. have they done anything even close to what hln did? >> no, they haven't. now, i understand that a new family lives in that home now, that they actually redid the entire bathroom area where this horrendous killing took place, so they could not go back to the home itself. but they have not built the recreation. but i think what they're focusing in on is the fact that jodi doesn't remember so much of this, because it all happened right in the bathroom, and she only remembers the very beginning and then she remembers when she drives out into the desert. so the actual stabbing of travis alexander, when he apparently was already on the ground, she has no memory of, she claims. >> so one of the more surprising details that has come out, but not in court, and it will never come out in front of a jury, is how much money jodi arias'
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defense team has spent thus far in trying to spare her from a guilty verdict and a death penalty. it's upwards of $800,000, as our team has found out. when that kind of money is spent on a defense, you would think that the prosecutors would match that or best that, because the burden is on the prosecutors to get a conviction. do they? do they have those budgets? what's the stat there when it comes to how much they have in their arsenal? >> you know, ashleigh, this is one prosecutor who is trying this case all by himself, juan martinez. we understand he likes to work alone. but the prosecution has the luxury of, a lot of things are already on staff for them. they have crime scene investigators on staff, that are already paid a salary. so they're just doing their job when they get this case. but the fact is with jodi arias, these are appointed the attorneys, they're appointed by the county, and then the costs are mounting. and this is a death penalty case. here in arizona, there currently
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are three women on death row, she would be the fourth, if jury determined she is convicted and sentenced to death. one of those women's case was just overturned. but just think about how rare it is to have a woman on death row in this particular state, and it's going to cost money. >> well, yeah. women on death row is a rarity. women being tried is a rarity. women being convicted, perhaps, is the greatest rarity in all of these scenarios. jean casarez, you'll stay with us throughout this. and i've got a couple other questions for you as we move ahead, thank you. specifically, i've got questions about questions. what the jury is asking. they get to ask the experts, too. because when an expert stands up for jodi arias and says, all that memory loss, i've got an answer for that, the jurors had a lot of questions about those answers. and you're going to hear the tone and what it says about what they're thinking in just a moment. has an equally thrilling, lesser-known counterpart. conquer them with the exhilarating is 250. get great values on your favorite lexus models
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there is nothing like being on a jury, trust me. don't avoid jury duty. especially if you're in a case like the jodi arias murder trial. because in that case, you actually get to ask questions. you're a part of it.
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you're a part of the system. and this jury, sitting in her judgment has a lot of questions. they have sent more than 100 for the defense psychologist that she put up on the stand alone. and there may be another round of questions when the court resumes on monday. and the questions that they've been asking, for this expert, they may be very telling about what they're thinking. they sure don't seem to be buying into his diagnosis of ptsd for jodi, especially considering that she has lied to the police, she has lied to other authorities, she's lied to friends, she has lied to her doctor. take a listen as the judge reads out what the jury wants to know. >> how can we be certain that your assessment of miss arias is not based on the lies that she has admittedly made over the years? can you be sure jodi is not lying to you about the events on june 4, 2008? do you feel it is possible for
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an individual to fool professionals into believing they have suffered posttraumatic stress disorder or acute stress disorder? are you able to definitely tell when someone is lying or telling the truth or is it based on your perceptions? in the process of killing someone, isn't it possible, even probable, that adrenaline output would increase whether someone was in fight or flight mode or in the act of a premeditated killing? you have compared jodi's ptsd multiple times to that of police officers and soldiers. do you think that is a fair comparison since police officers and soldiers kill as part of their job and duty? you seem to have several issues with omitting or forgetting to include information. do you think that it is important to have an accurate and complete report for a trial like this? why would she run into the closet and corner herself?
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wouldn't someone in fight or flight mode want to get away from the danger? how do you know that she didn't kill travis out of jealousy? >> okay. if i'm that guy sitting there, i don't want to hear a jury saying, you seem to have several issues forgetting. that's hard stuff and that's not lost on anybody in that courtroom. here's another thing that you probably don't know unless you've been inside one of these courtrooms. cameras are trained on a lot of parts of the courtroom and almost never on the jury. they get to remain anonymous. it's critical, at least until after verdicts. and sometimes, they come forward. in the meantime, this makes them a little less anonymous. jean casarez, ornn the other ha, can go in and take a look with her eyes at those jurors and give us a feel. jean, what do they look like? do they look like they're sort of incredulous as they hear testimony and then fire these questions back, or do they look
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very complacent with what they're hearing in the courtroom? >> they were so focused, ashleigh. we are on to day 37 next monday of this trial, and to me they were as focused as ever. they were not taking notes while the answers to their questions were being read back. and they do take notes, sometimes a lot of notes, but they were just listening. they were focused, intent. you know what's interesting, i was sitting in the courtroom, and when they left for the lunch break and went out that door, which is sort of close to where i'm sitting, i heard someone laugh. i heard a juror actually laugh. it was a female and it was a big laugh. i don't know what that means, but this jury is invested and, boy, were those questions amazing. >> and there's one other thing that oftentimes the cameras just sort of jump out before you have to go perform warnings every day for jurors, and that is a judge saying to those jurors, very, very seriously, you may not read newspaper articles, listen to radio stories, watch television when it comes to this case. i always am amazed by how serious the admonishment is, but
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it's got to be very serious in this case. this is a death penalty case. >> no question. and it is continual. she always asks that and she always says, you are not to discuss this case amongst yourself. you know, another focus of the questions was the inadequacy of the forensic psychologist, ashleigh. he made so many mistakes on his report, he based his criteria on this diagnostic test where she actually lied, saying there were intruders to the home and he didn't retest her after that. many of the questions were really focused on his competency. >> jean casarez, thank you. hold that thought for one moment. oftentimes when jean covers a case, when we cover these cases, especially death penalty cases, the best defense is to dirty up the victim as much as you can. now, if you are telling the truth, then that's fair. if you're lying, that makes a victim a victim twice. we're going to look at that in this particular case when it comes to travis alexander and talk to one of his friends who's
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this is the pursuit of perfection. in jodi arias' defense, and she needed a good one, because she had to admit she killed her ex-boyfriend, travis alexander, she says she did it in self-defense. and she pulled out all the stops in laying out what kind of person she was, in her estimation. she called him nothing short of a sexual deviant and a pedophile and even so much as a rapist, in the ways that she described
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their sex life and his predilections. is she lying on the stand and just dirtying up a victim who met his end so violently. or is that young woman truly innocent and fought for her life against a monster? dr. drew pinsky joins me to talk about the potential pitfalls of picks a defense like that. dr. drew, listen, she's fighting for her life. this is the most serious kind of justice that we can mete out upon somebody in a case like this. do you have any other choice, and isn't this a choice that can end up angering juror ifs they don't believe you. >> i've been talking to defense attorneys throughout this case, and all of them believe this is something the defense must do, they have no alternative to do, but the fact is in the course of laying this out, it's becoming increasingly clear that the young woman you're seeing alongside of me is actually probably the perpetrator of a form of domestic violence herself. when you hear these tapes laid
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out, these horrible sexual tapes and all this alleged sexual activity that went on between she and him, the fact is, interpersonal terrorism is something where people are accustomed to men using physical aggression and violence to control and manipulate somebody. she used sex and sexuality to do the same exact thing. and when he finally realized he'd been sucked into something unhealthy and tried to leave, that's when she became violent. in the course of trying to muddy this up and make him look back, i think the defense actually made her look more like the perpetrator of domestic violence. >> and as you know well, there are two elements to a death penalty trial. number one, the jury has to decide if she's just guilty or not guilty. that's the first phase. and if they decide she's guilty, then they are the arbitrators of whether she should live and die, and that's a whole other phase. you know, so it's really critical as to whether they can get beyond whether she's got mitigators that make her not
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worthy of killing. i want to bring in julie christopher, who used to work with -- i beg your pardon, we lost our connection to julie. she was one of the friends of travis alexander who could have given us a feel for what it's like to sit in that courtroom and hear this about her friend. vinnie politan with hln joins us now. you saw him lay out the crime scene in that mock bedroom/bathroom area. vinnie, this is one of those questions, and if you're a defense attorney, you need to weigh exactly what dr. drew is saying. you've got to get the not guilty, but you really, really have to get the, don't kill her. it's a balancing act, isn't it? >> yeah, but what you have to establish, is it a life worth saving, if we get to that point? here's the problem, though, with the way they have attacked this case from the defense. credibility and remorse, two things that are lacking with jodi arias. credibility in anything that she says and no remorse for what she did. and ultimately, if you are going
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to be on trial for your life, begging for your life, you want the jury at some point to believe what you're saying and then number two, you want them to believe that you are not a cold-hearted killer. someone who has remorse for what they did. that's what they have not seen. and it's a product of the defense they're putting on right now, which is self-defense, trash travis alexander. he's the bad one, i'm the good one. >> all right. stand by, if you will, vinnie politan. we have a lot more, obviously, to cover in this case, because if this is the case, will the judge's instructions do anything to bring that jury back in, to just getting focused on aggravators versus mitigators. remains to be seen. we've got days left in trial. as we move forward in this program, there have been some cases that have come to light that have shocked a lot of people, especially with regard
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welcome back to a special edition of the program today. ahead, people behaving badly and then tweeting about it or uploading pictures or video. with an audience as big as the internet itself. i'm going to bring you a sex assault case in connecticut where the alleged victims are just 13. 13 years old. and again, victimized twice by social media. later, we're going to look at a culture that idolizes athletes, from peewees to the pros. we don't like to think that our sports stars, who can do no
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wrong, sometimes do wrong. why can't somebody invent something called a mean filter? if we adults so often text first and think later, how can we expect our kids to do any better with so fewer tools than we have? first up, torrington, connecticut. in the wake of an already infamous rape trial in steubenville, ohio, now a trial that arose in large part from texts and tweets that became state's evidence. three teenagers are charged in torrington, connecticut, with having sex with underage girls. no force is alleged here. but here's the thing. the victims are so young at 13, the law says they're too young to legally consent. doesn't matter if they said yes, they legally cannot. the two cases are not identical, at all. but, the young girls in both of the cases are certainly feeling something very similar. a backlash that might not have existed when i was a kid, maybe when you were a kid, or at least even a decade ago. cnn's susan candiotti has the story.
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>> reporter: at least two of the three accused teens are familiar faces for football fans at connecticut's torrington high school. edgar gonzalez, named most valuable player this season, and teammate jojuan alternativeio are 18, legally adults. a third young man is 17, a juvenile. all three are charged with sexuality. the two alleged victims are 13 years old. police call the alleged sexual encounters consensual. but under connecticut law, that doesn't matter. >> consensual in the sense that it wasn't a, quote, attack. not consensual because in the eyes of the law, statutorily, a 13-year-old can not give consent. >> reporter: because the girls were more than three years younger than the boys, the young men are charged with sexual assault, sometimes known as statutory rape in other states. torrington is a small new england town, where football is part of school, not a local obsession. different than steubenville,
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ohio, where just days ago, two football players were convicted of raping an unconscious girl. the evidence included posts that went viral on social media. in torrington, social media brought backlash from other kids, namely blaming the girls. one said, quote, even if it was all his fault, what was a 13-year-old girl doing hanging around with 18-year-old guys? another viciously attacked the girl's character. quote, young girls acting like whores, there's no punishment for that. young man acting like boys is a sentence. but the boys were targets too. quote, too bad the girls were not protected from a rapist psychopath like you. you should be telling your buddies to lay off her. >> with social media, it's just an opportunity to tell a lot of people a message. instead of me just speaking to you, i tweet it and it's out there for the whole world. >> barbara spiegel heads torrington's susan b. anthony
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project for victims of sexual and physical abuse. she worries about the impact for accusers. >> the focus is on the girls, as if whatever went on here was their fault. and i think the focus needs to be on the perpetrators. alleged perpetrators. >> reporter: as for all the social media chatter, area parents just shake their heads. >> i don't think they've stopped to consider the lives that they're hurting. >> i don't think it's appropriate for kids to be expressing their thoughts on something that either they know very little about or they're just not mature enough to make rational decisions. >> and susan candiotti joins me now live, susan. you've had a chance to talk to one of the attorneys, for one of these suspects, specifically about the viral attacks since these alleged crimes. what's the attorney saying about these attacks? >> reporter: that's right, ashleigh. well, first of all, both of the defendants, the 18-year-olds in this case, have pleaded not guilty, and one of them denies every aspect of what he's been
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charged with. yes, i spoke to the lawyer for edgar gonzalez, and he said, look, susan, i can tell you that i spoke with my client just the other day in jail. these posts have been out there for a month, he's been in jail at least that long. he said that his client knows nothing about all these social comments that are being made out there on twitter, for example, and he said he played absolutely no role in it and he's only aware of it because i told him about it. certainly, he doesn't promote that happening right now, his lawyer says. and then his lawyer added this, ashleigh. he said, you know, i just want to point out that in these cases, legally, the name of the accuser is protected. and the lawyer said, i understand that. but at the same time, my defendant's name is out there publicly and i obey and respect the law and so does he. he just wants to put all of this behind him. but the fact of the matter is, ashleigh, of course the law does always protect the name of the
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accusers in cases of possible and alleged sexual violence. ashleigh? >> and let's go one further, susan candiotti. we protect 13-year-olds, too, even if they were perpetrators, if they were 13, their names would be protected. and there are so many reasons for it, which we cannot get into at this moment. but susan candiotti, great reporting. thank you very much for that. you know, that verdict in steubenville came down less than a week ago. 17-year-old trent mays, seen here in the white shirt, and 16-year-old ma'lik richmond in blue, you might be thinking, why are we seeing and hearing their names, a decision that was made by the judge. they could have been elevated to adult court, but they were not. but their images were made public. the judge made that decision. both of them guilty of raping a 16-year-old girl who was too drunk to consent. you might think that would have ended the wrenching ordeal that entered our national c
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consciousness back in december. bloggers and hackers demeaned all involved, and led to allegations that police were going easy on high school athletes. but this ordeal is not over, two days after the verdict, two teenage girls were hauled into a courtroom for allegedly tweeting threats on the rape victim's life. and the ohio attorney general was my guest on the show this week. have a listen. >> well, we had two individuals who clearly didn't get the message. they went up right after the verdict, or close in time after the verdict, and, you know, as you just reported, one threatened the life of the victim. the other threatened to do bodily harm to the victim. and you know, we have the first amendment. people are allowed to be obnoxious and they're allowed to say crazy things. that's fine. but they can't, under ohio law, threaten to kill someone. and we had to take action. >> attorney general dewine has impanelled another grand jury to investigate whether anyone else should be charged in the initial aftermath of the crime or in the
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aftermath of the entire case. and here's where i bring in two guests who know a lot about youth and about social media and all of the forces that can be unleashed when those two things combine. dr. drew pinsky is the host of "dr. drew on call" on our sister network, hln. and donna rice hughes is the president of the nonprofit organization, enough is enough. donna, i want to begin with you, if i may. a lot of people are so astounded and shocked, not only to hear about the crime, but then the tweeting and the bravado about the crime. and then the outrage at the young victims of the crime in steubenville, and the alleged crime that we're now following in connecticut. but you, in your line of work, surrounded by this on a regular basis, are not so surprised. explain to me. >> yes. there's so much going on here. i've read all of these cases. what i've seen is just this impact of the pornification of
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our culture, which is leading tonight objectifycation of those who are sexually violated, desensetization, and all of these things are forming a foundation for what we're seeing. and one thing that's really interesting that i don't think a lot of people may realize, the cdc, the center for disease control found in 2010 that youth who view x-rated material are six times more likely to force someone sexually and also there are studies show that those who are viewi ining pornographic material are much more likely to trivialize rape. so what does this have to do with what we are talking about? well, we have a youth, or in fact, youth in general have been brought up on the internet. great. but they've also had a steady diet of hard-core pornography, as their parents have not -- >> and we're showing these pictures of children with
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smartphones and cell phones and access at any given moment, when we can't watch. in fact, i want to throw out a quick statistic here, a couple of them from the pew research center. first of all, and this blew my mind, lest you should think my child would never send out a naked picture of himself or herself, how about being on the receiving end of it? because one in six kids say they've received pornographic images of some kind. and here's one that's very distressing. 78% of kids, now, of teenagers have cell phones and almost half of kids have smartphones. dr. drew, if the tooth paste is out of the tube in terms of the receiving of these images, one in six kids getting them, what do i have to do now as a parent? what's -- my job is already astoundingly huge. how much bigger can it get? >> i understand that. it's gotten bigger. we have to stay on top of this. it is our frontal lobe that is functioning, theirs is no. it literally goes on vacation for about ten years, and that's where people learn to contain impulses, make good judgment. and it's our functioning brain
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that needs to supervene here to get involved. i want to tell parents one thing. remember this. people are so concerned about violent video games, think about your kids acting out violently on real people through social media. they feel entitled to actually act out on a real person. if you think violent video cartoons are a problem, how about the fact they're actually doing this in real life, on real people, and feel completely entitled and justified to do so. we have to check our kids and we've got to check our young males, especially, for the reasons that donna was just saying. >> for all of us who may be over the age of 30, there's a lot that moves ahead so fast of us. donna, i remember in the '80s, when you were just so encircled by the controversy with then senator gary hart, as he was e running for president, and there was that picture of you in the press sitting on his lap. and it was just a massive story on the evening news, but that was the only place. what if twitter had existed back when you went through this
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ordeal? >> oh, it would -- well, it would have gone even more viral. i have to say that even back then, when we did not have the internet, it did go viral in media, all around the world. and so i can just so empathize with these young people that have already -- they're already suffering, and then to have personal details of their life, and even their abuse, go viral, is just, it's overwhelming. i can't even imagine. you can see why suicide sometimes is the result. you know, because they feel so out of control. but i want to go back to what dr. drew said. parents have got to get in the game. they have got to become good parents and recognize that their kids' offline and online world have merged. kids don't see online and
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offline. this is their life and they are used to using this technology and not thinking before they post, not thinking before they do something. parents have got to be the first line of defense. >> and we've got a couple of things that are pertacoming up pertains to that. stand by, if you would. i have so many more questions as we continue this conversation. not the least of which, social media, crime, athletes. is it true, do young athletes in particular think they're above the law? and are we all a big part of this? can we be doing something to mitigate the damage that's being done? back in a moment. all stations come over to mission a for a final go.
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another says that a new incident of athlete crime emerges once every two days. that does not include crimes that were unreported in the media. critics of our sports culture often blame the leaders, the coaches, the steubenville football coach is known as a tough as nails known as a toughy who runs the team with an iron fist. according to to "new york times" he went "nose-to-nose with a times reporter when that reporter questioned him about the rape case." times says he threatened the reporter with these words "you're going to get yours. and if you don't get yours, somebody close to you will." these are the kinds of things that have a lot of people wondering if the coaches are behaving that way, if the grown ups are behaving that way, what chance do the kids have? and where do we need to direct our anger? or where do we need to direct our changes? in a moment you will hear from a young woman who says she has
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a new grand jury will be convening to find out if anyone else involved in the case need to be going to court right along with them, meaning, did they help cover it up? did they do something else criminal in this case? that's all to come in the next few weeks. a couple gems emerge from the courts we just went through. actual evidence, tweets from the young men sent to a couple people. i want to read a few because they really do perhaps -- the head coach. on august 13th, trent mays was convicted, sent this text to the victim in this case. reno, meaning football coach, just called my house and said i raped you. on august 13th mays also sent this text to a fellow football player who actually filmed a 12-minute viral video that played heavily into the case. the coach knows about it,
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seriously, delete it. on august 14th mays sent this text to an unnamed friend. i got reno, he took care of it. and blank ain't going to happen even if they did take it to court like he was joking about it so i'm not worried. joining us from denver is kathy redman, she's the founder of the national coalition against violent athletes and she speaks from experience. she says she was twice raped by a football player while she was a student at the university of nebraska. and dr. dre also remains with us. kathy, first to you. those are serious tweets. they are now evidence. ey are not supposition, this is not what someone said, this is stuff the police found. are these the kinds of things that you think may actually end up leading to a further prosecution in a case like this? and is this the kind of thing that maybe up until now we haven't been doing enough of? >> yes, i agree with that. i think that these kind of tweets can actually lead to more prosecutions.
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the problem that i have is that you have jurors that you have actually getting to court, and you have jurors that still believe the victim blame that aren't educated when they go into their jury box. so they still lean -- especially women, they still lean towards the male perpetrators of the violence. so although these tweets certainly help, we also have to educate the people in the jury box. we also have to educate the parents. and especially the academic institutions that hired these coaches, that allowed these coaches to stay, that allowed this whole culture to permeate. >> dr. drew, we have two elements to this. we have many elements, but two specific elements. what happened before the actual incident and during the incident itself, the crime. and then what happened after. everything that everyone posted online, all the blaming of the victim, all the sharing of the videos. and i want to ask you this. >> yeah. >> we as grown-ups seem to have
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problems stopping and filtering our meanness between our fingers and our tweets. we are doing a terrible job at that. you can just log onto my twitter account and see what people say about me and what kind of words they've used. they've never met me. >> it's brutal, right? >> what do we expect from kids with far fewer tools than we have? >> actually, you bring up two big points. i want to push one up front which is that adolescence, who are acting out sexually, meaning these poor young women who are victimized as a time when they are in their most important time of need, mental health difficulties are expressed in adolescence through sexual acting out, truancy and substance use. they don't come in and say, hey, i'm depressed and anxious, doctor, they act out sexually. so when these young kids are acting in that fashion, we must as adults recognize that as a mental health issue and educate our young children the same. as far as the mean filters,